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he's the best, though. he is one of e nicest guys. he came on to host the show. i was afraid, like oh, my gosh, it's christopher walken. he's like, where's my mark? just tell me where my mark, i'll hit my mark. i go, okay, i think it's right over there. i'm telling christopher walken what's going on? who am i to tell this guy? he's like, hey, jimmy fallon, jimmy fallon, let's do a song and dance. >> larry: a great dancer. >> he's the greatest dancer and i'm like, what a fun guy to hang out with. i love him. >> larry: have a great weekend. see you monday. thanks so much for joining us tonight. can a politician simply refuse to debate her opponents and refuse to answer questions from reporters and still get elected? we will soon find out. fresh from her debate disaster, arizona's governor says never again, no more debates, period. wait until you hear the reason she says she took part in that one disastrous debate wednesday. according to her, it wasn't to
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talk to voters. it was money, $1.7 million. we're keeping them honest. also tonight another politician that seems to be dodging questions and responsibility, democratic congresswoman eddie bernice johnson, now blaming her top staffer for a scholarship scandal, giving thousands in charities of scholarship money to her relatives and staffer's relatives. we're tracking earl up the east coast, though nowhere near as strong as anyone feared. it's now closing in on new england. where, when and how bad ly it could affect your labor day weekend. andre agassi dominated tennis and, for much of his life, hated every single minute of it. the life he says was hoisted on him. keeping them honest with a surprise announcement from arizona governor jan brewer today. first came the debate meltdown. then she dodged the media. now she's saying her discombobulated debate was her last. she's refusing to participate in any more debates and says she
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took part in the only one debate to get money, which is what she told the "arizona star" today. she won't do it again, she tells the paper, because debates help her opponent more than they benefit her. what about her obligation to the voters? because she's the sitting governor, her obligation to the people of arizona? we'll talk about that shortly. let's take a look at what happened in the one debate she did participate in. it was wednesday night. you've probably seen her opening statement, which candidates traditionally practice over and over. it was pretty much a complete meltdown. >> it's great to be here with larry, barry and terry and thank you all for watching us tonight. i have, uh, done so much and i just cannot believe that we have changed everything since i have become your governor in the last 600 days. arizona has been brought back from its abyss. we have cut the budget. we have balanced the budget and
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we are moving forward. we have done everything that we could possibly do. we have, uh, did what was right for arizona. i can tell you that i have really -- did the very best that anyone could do and we have pushed back had hard against the federal government. we have filed suit against obama health care and we have passed senate bill 1070 and we will continue to do what's right for arizona. i ask for your vote. thank you. >> painful to watch, no doubt about it. you may say everyone has a brain freeze every now and then. what the governor went on to do later during the debate and especially afterwards with reporters was almost as embarrassing. we're seeing this tactic more and more used by candidates. i want to show you what happened later on during that same debate. attorney general terry goddard repeatedly called upon the
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governor to retract a false statement she made in june in which she said arizona law enforcement have found decapitated bodies in the arizona desert. >> what's hurting us right now economically are false statements made by jan brewer about how arizona has become so violent, that we are a place of fear, that we have beheadings in the desert. those are false statements that cause people to think that arizona is a dangerous place and they don't come here and they don't invest here because our governor has said such negative things about our state. and, jan, i call upon you today to say that there are no beheadings, that was a false statement and it needs to be cleared up right now. >> and, you know, terry, i will call you out. i think that you ought to renounce your support and endorsement of the unions. >> now the governor didn't answer the question there, instead tried to turn the question on goddard, a debate tactic. look what happened immediately after the debate when the governor was confronted by the same questions by a group of
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reporters. >> why wouldn't you recant the comment you made earlier about the beheadings in the desert? >> seriously. that is a serious question. >> this was an interesting night. >> please answer the question about the headless bodies. why won't you recant that? do you still believe that? come on, governor. >> okay, thank you, all. >> oh! >> she totally ignores their questions and tries to give her prepared talking points and walks out. no law enforcement agencies have reported finding decapitated people in the u.s. in mexico, absolutely. not in america. the governor said she never actually said that dekcapitated bodies were found in arizona. i never said arizona, she did. keeping them honest, first the beheadings on the news. >> which beheadings in arizona are you referring to? >> law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded. >> all right. she didn't actually say the word
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arizona but she didn't say the anchor was wrong when he said arizona and she was talking about american law enforcement finding beheaded people in the desert. sounds like she was talking about arizona. that wasn't the first time she raised the issue. sure enough, brewer talked about beheadings, admitted to the associated press she misspoke and went on to say let me be clear on concern about the border region, because it continues to be repeated in mexico there's a lot of violence going on and we don't want that going in to arizona. she won't take part in any more debates, remains to be seen if she will refuse to answer questions and simply gut give out prepared statements like she did on wednesday. it seems like the way she's dealing with embarrassing answers is to stop taking questions at all. >> that's the strategy. the gamble shae she's taking here basically is look, it's labor day now. two months until the election. 20 points ahead in the latest poll. arizona is a republican friendly state that will be particularly friendly because of the national
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climate. she's basically gambling that the damage she'll get from the free media attention, segments like this tonight in arizona and nationally over the next two months will be offset by two things. one, the national climate which will make voters inclined to vote for republicans just because they don't want to vote for democrats. two, the climate in arizona on the issue of immigration. >> she's popular on that issue. >> right. >> so why try to answer questions that just will get her in trouble? >> right. you're betting on no matter how incompetent she seems, one thing besides this that every arizonan knows about her, she's the governor that signed the immigration law. if it's a huge issue to you in arizona and it is a big issue to a big chunk of the electorate, that may offset any concerns they have about her temperament. it's a big gamble, though. that's a lot of time for damage to set in. you know, there's a famous story of 1990 when a guy name paul westin, one of the big upsets of the year. he won because his opponent
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ducked debates, very clever ad, trying to track his opponent down, couldn't find him in arizona and there was a popular revolt. >> but there is also such anti-media sentiment right now, particularly among, you know, conservatives and she could use that to her advantage. she could say, look, all the -- she has been. >> right. >> all the immediate wra is talking about is beheadings, beheadings, beheadings. she could start to lk like a victim of an overzealous media, frankly also being used by this democrat in texas. it's the same strategy by representative johnson saying on the scholarship scandal, she said i was trying to create a scandal, now accusing the dallas morning news reporter who broke it of having a personal agenda. >> the base of support for every politician always believes that the media is out to get that politician. george w. bush's supporters thought they were out to get him. barack obama's supporters think it's out to get him.
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jan brewer's base will absolutely respond that way. in every election there's 10%, 15% of the electorate that you can call swing voter, who literally jump from one party to the other. what will be more important to them in arizona this fall, their inclination to vote against democrats and their views on the immigration issue? if that's more important, brewer gets their votes. if the issues about her temperament, personality and competence, if that becomes more important, she loses those votes and only then can the democrat win. >> she wasn't even supposed to win her primary months and months ago. >> right. it's because of this issue. >> because of the immigration issue? >> right. you talk about how the base responds, the media is out to get her. the base of the republican party had no particular affection for jan brewer. she was probably going to lose her primary. she signed this bill. she became an instant hero to them. then with the media, basically, in arizona and nationally saying what a draconian bill this was, cemented what you were saying. not only do we like her for signing this but we like her for
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sticking up to the media. they're calling her these names, they're calling us these names. >> we'll see what her opponent, if he tries to use this debate performance against her and also if she continues to stonewall reporters on questions. steve kornacki, appreciate it. keeping them honest, she said she was unaware of rules on scholarship, then she said they were unclear, then blamed a staffer. the latest from congresswoman eddie bernice johnson. and the reporter who broke the story. the 911 tapes when the discovery gunman was holding hostages. they were just released tonight and, as expected, they are chilling. >> i am almost directly behind the suspect, behind a wall. i have visual on his apparatus. i am losing battery on my portable. if somebody else comes in via the garden there will be a security officer standing by to walk you where i am. >> hey, vega, he's looking at you to see where you're going.
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keeping them honest tonight, nine-term congresswoman embroiled in a scandal over scholarships that she awarded to family members and family members of a staffer. she's also the former head of the congressional black caucus. you'll hear the interview we did with her last night in a moment. she tries several explanations, some might say excuses, before ultimately saying the responsibility for the scholarship problems lay with
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her top aide. this week, she said she repaid $31,000 in scholarship money to the congressional black caucus foundation. according to "the dallas morning news," she gave out 23 scholarships over five years to two relatives, two grandchildren and two great nephews and also gave money to children of a top staffer. that's more than a third of all scholarships she awarded during that period. you don't even have to see the rules of the cbc foundation to know this is xloelt inappropriate. but we checked anyway. kids are eligible for these scholarships if they have a 2.5 grade point average, submit an application, write an essay and be a member of the school district of the member of the cbc. and they cannot be a relative of anyone affiliated with the congressional black caucus. the kids all signed it, promising they weren't related to anyone with the congressional black caucus. the congresswoman violated the
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rule of awarding her own relatives but according to "the dallas morning news," none of these kids went to schools in her district. keeping them honest, we wanted to know how someone, anyone, could be unaware of or confused by clear-cut rules or basic ethics. i spoke to representative johnson. >> thanks for joining us. you said you didn't know the rules for this scholarship and didn't know that you couldn't give the money to your grandson and other relatives of yours and a member of your staff. how is that possible, that you didn't know that not only was this against the rules of the scholarship, but simply unethical? >> well, let me just say this. i was not aware of the rules. the rules have been very ambiguous. there were some rules that come out last year, but, you know, i have acknowledged i made a mistake. i have tried to make everything whole. i have paid all the money out of my personal funds. and i'm ready to move on. >> you say the rules were ambiguous prior to last year and that you didn't know what the
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rules were. we found the 2008 scholarship application, and on it, it says, quote, employees and/or relatives of cbc members, cbc spouses, cbc foundation, the board of directors are ineligible for the scholarship program. we also went back and found the 2006 guidelines from four years ago and it says the exact same thing, employees and/or relatives of cbc members, cbc spouses, cbc foundation board of directors are ineligible for the scholarship program. that seems not ambiguous. >> i didn't realize they were even in print, ai indicated. i have no reason not to tell the truth. i did not know they were in print. >> you say you didn't know it was in print but clearly members of your staff knew that those were printed in the rules, because when your grandsons and grandnephews and the members of -- the family members of your staff who got this money for several years in a row, every time they sent in an application, they had to promise that they weren't a relative of you or anyone connected with the cbc. so, people on your staff --
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>> i admit -- i admit that i made a mistake. i did not realize that. >> no, no, no, but the point is that people on your staff knew the rules. so, have you looked into who on your staff knew the rules? >> anderson, i have acknowledged that i was negligent. i acknowledged that i made a mistake. when it was called to my attention, i tried to correct it. i know you want to make a scandal out of this and i -- but i can't help you. all i can do is tell you the truth. >> well, i think you've done enough in terms of making a scandal. i'm trying to figure out what happened. you say you take responsibility. i'm asking specifically who on your staff reviewed these applications because whoever did this saw that these kids were promising that they weren't your relatives. what? >> my chief of staff had the responsibility. i can't tell you always did, because, to be quite honest with you, i work pretty hard. we have a lot to do and it really has not gotten all of my attention, i regret to say. it's a minor part of what we do on a daily basis.
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and i have indicated to you that i was negligent. i made a mistake. i have tried to right it and that's all i can do. >> because it does seem to scream credibility to say that you, as a public official, didn't understand that it just ethically -- whether or not you read the rules that ethically there would be a problem with giving money to your grandsons for several years when there are other kids out there who could have gotten that money. >> other kids? >> who weren't, by the way -- your grandkids weren't even living in your district or going to school in your district. >> how do you want me to answer that? i made a mistake. >> as a public official, how do you know that that's not ethically right? >> say what? >> as a public official who has been in congress for a long time, how do you know that that is not ethically right? whether or not you read the rules but basic ethics. >> you're talking about the last three or four years. >> i'm talking about five years that you've been doing this that we know about. >> well, the only thing i can
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tell you is what i have said. i will keep repeating it. i've made a mistake. >> you never heard that ethical ly there might be a problem with awarding money? >> i did not, no. >> never occurred to you? no member of your staff ever over the course of five years said it to you? >> i didn't think about it that much, you know, because i'm trying to make sure it doesn't -- i know it won't happen again. i'm initiating a new committee in place. i'm the last one that they send these things to and usually they go right to my chief of staff. i have not dwelled on trying to figure out a way to give my grandchildren $1,000 a year. i have not done that. i have a lot of things to do and i'm not saying that i didn't do right by not dwelling on it, but this is just one scholarship out of hundreds of scholarships that are offered to kids that i steer them to within my district. >> okay. did you or any member of your staff tell your grandsons, your grandnephews or the children of
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the other member of your staff to lie on the forms? >> no. i have had no conversation about lying on anything. >> so they just lied on their own? >> on that form or any or form. >> did they just lie on their own or were they coached by members of your staff? >> i don't consider them having lied. >> they signed those forms. >> i don't know that they've even sign seen those forms. >> they've signed those forms. it's part of the application process. >> you know more than i do, anderson. >> you don't know about this at all? >> i don't have the forms. the records -- the records are missing from my office. >> the records are missing from your office? >> yes. we've looked for them. they're not there and -- >> but the congressional black caucus foundation has -- >> trying to correct the mistake. >> right. the congressional black caucus foundation, we had them on the other night, and they told us, yes, each of your relatives have said they were not your relative on the form. they signed off that everything was true on the application. >> i'm sorry that happened. i'm not even aware of it and i
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know that my grandkids didn't do this intentionally. i don't even know if they've seen the forms because i hadn't seen the forms until this year. >> well, they signed the forms. >> let me assure you that i have repaid all of the money. i'm not blaming anybody but myself. i'm taking full responsibility. and i'm going to move forward. >> well, representative johnson, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> congresswoman johnson's take on the scandal. todd gillman of "the dallas morning news," who broke this story and has new developments. thank you for joining us. what did you make of that interview? that happened last night. what did you make of it? >> you got a lot of answers out of her. and you asked a lot of really terrific questions. she changed her story substantially last night. it was the first time she had ever said that it was the responsibility of her chief of staff to review these applications and enforce the rules. we had no idea that these records were lost.
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the fact that she says that she did not coach and no one coached her relatives to lie on these forms was very interesting. it really strains credibility for a lot of people that nobody had any idea, that she had no idea that there were such rules in place. in 2005, the very first year she awarded scholarships to some of her relatives, she was a member of the congressional black caucus foundation board. and there is not a major philanthropic organization that doesn't have rules against self dealing. >> even if she didn't know the rules of this particular scholarship, which strains credibility, anybody in public office, you know that giving things, money to your relative who doesn't even live in the district, that's got to raise questions. if it doesn't raise questions for her, which i find impossible
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to believe for a person sitting in congress for nine terms, it's got to raise questions for people on her staff. this didn't just happen once. it happened year after year after year. there would have to be a big turnover of her staff and people had to come in and say, wait a minute. we're giving money to her grandkids? >> i suppose you could argue that once the mistake was made in 2005, it might have been easier to make the same mistake year after year after year. you're also touching on an issue that has disturbed a lot of voters and our readers in the dallas area, which is there is a distinction between what you can get away with, technically, and what you ought to do. and that is a question of ethics. >> you are still digging on this story. as i said, "the dallas morning news" has done remarkable work on this. you found other scholarships improperly awarded to representative johnson to others who weren't in her district. but now also others, it seems, have come forward, saying they have been trying to contact johnson's office about scholarships but were never told about these scholarships.
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it seems unclear, at least to me, how she ever really informed people in her district or if she did inform schools in her district about the scholarships or simply used them for her relatives and others who, one way or another, came into her orbit. >> she definitely did get the word out to some degree. we canvassed many high schools and many high school counselors in her congressional district. some were aware of the scholarship, some were not aware of the scholarship. we spoke with a number of the recipients or parents who actually received the scholarship who were not among her relatives, who were eligible for this and they found out about it typically by going through guidance counselors or doing their own scholarship search to go to college and find financial aid. >> that's good to know. >> what you're referring to, we did uncover, in reviewing the 60 or so scholarships she has awarded in the past five years under the black caucus foundation program, we found another five students who lived outside of her congressional
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district, who had applied. and this actually, in some way, supports her story, which is that she did not consider the residency requirement to be a hard and fast requirement. she felt that it was a goal, that it was a guideline, but it was not a must kind of thing. these students, as far as we can tell, none of the other students were related. there was no conflict of interest, per se, but they didn't live and so they weren't eligible. but many of the students that she did help were scholar athletes, outstanding academically and deserved scholarships, they just weren't eligible because they didn't live or go to school in her district. >> we're out of time. i have to ask you briefly, she's using this tactic saying -- she's saying i'm trying to create a scandal. frankly, i think she did -- she created this thing and she is saying you have a vendetta against her that you're ideologically motivated and, therefore, your report something biased. you're reporting facts on what she has done. tell the story of the first time
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you reported on her and the column you wrote. >> well, i suppose there's a little bit of bad blood going back, in her mind perhaps. i wrote a story when i became a local political columnist from dallas. i found out that she was going to do a local public television show where she would take questions from voters. i went to cover it, thinking it was an ordinary congressman interaction with voters. nobody showed up except for her staff who then proceeded to act the part of ordinary citizens in her district, who were posing questions, some of them even called in. her press secretary called in, pretending to be just a regular voter and i called her on it. so, this was a rather embarrassing -- the headline was something like congresswoman's tv show fills an hour, but it's no "60 minutes." that was about 15 years ago. if she still remembers it, i imagine that's us getting off on the wrong foot. but the allegation that we have a vendetta, disgruntled ex-employee spread this about her and that's how this all came
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about, it's like saying people were spreading a vicious truth about her. there's nothing untrue that whoever the tipster was and whatever we put in the paper, it's all true. that's why she paid back the $31,000. >> you're doing your job, uncovering facts. we appreciate the reporting. we'll talk to you again. thank you. >> great to be here. the latest on hurricane earl and new 911 tapes released from the discovery channel hostage crisis. the drama inside and outside the building. >> we need snipers in the windows surrounding where the suspect is. he does have what appears to be a pressure release device. [ female announcer ] fact: the medicine in children's advil® is the #1
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breaking news tonight. we're finding out how frightening the hostage standoff was. an armed man stormed the headquarters of discovery channel and took three people captive. james lee held police at bay for nearly four hours. in the end he was killed by a s.w. s.w.a.t. team and his hostages were unharmed. here's part of the 911 tapes. >> he is pointing weapons at employees and has a big box. he's wearing a gray shirt and he has a front desk employee lying on the floor. >> i am almost directly behind
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the suspect, behind a wall. i have visual on his apparatus. >> hey, vega, he's looking at you to see where you're going. >> we need snipers in the windows surrounding where the suspect is. >> full description on the apparatus on the suspect. like a mini backpack, two canisters on the outside, looks like a propane bottle on the inside, but like two coffee cans surrounded by the propane canister. flashing light in his left hand, almost like a death grip. red luminous light tunsly flashing. same thing on the front strapped around his waist. >> confirm that the suspect has something in his hand? like a grip, he said, or a button? >> yes, and suspect is carrying the grip in his left hand, like a death grip. >> was it wire or batteries or anything associated with that that you can see? >> like a red led light, like a release button that is continuously flashing. he has a microphone, like a
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janua janet jackson microphone to his mouth and he is protesting verbally. the security guard, who is hostage at this point -- looks like he's trying to affix something to one of the security gars in the lobby. >> fired two shots so he can make entry into the building on the other side. >> he has one of the hostages that's laying on the floor. he's got him up, talking to him. looks like he's giving him instructions and hopefully he will be coming out this front door in just a minute. >> police recovered two starter pistols and four explosive devices at the scene. the latest on earl, the storm weakening as it moves toward new england, thankfully. let's check in with chad myers. >> it has lost a lot of intensity, compared to a couple of days ago at 199 miles per hour, not at surface but in between where the plane is and at the surface where they drop those little weather balloons. actually, they're not balloons. they're on parachutes. today, the biggest wind they found was 79 miles per hour, less than a third of the storm it once was. here is the cape, nantucket. there's the storm, martha's
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vineyard. the eye still visible on radar, about 100 miles away right now from land. it will get a little bit closer for the rest of the night. it will finally get -- its closest approach somewhere around 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. right now, winds are sustained at 75. minimal hurricane. it's as small as you can get to still be a hurricane. later on tonight, it starts to race to the north, moving probably at 30 miles per hour, slamming into nova scotia and eventually continues out of the way. now, if you're planning a beach vacation, you thought you might want to cancel it, really, everything will be fine by tomorrow afternoon. saturday, sunday and monday, as long as you don't get into that very treacherous rough water, you can still enjoy your labor day at the shore. >> watch out for rip tides. >> absolutely. >> thank you for staying late with us on this friday night. let's go to tom foreman with the "360 news and business bulletin." powerful earthquake in new zealand. it struck saturday morning local time. state of emergency has been declared there.
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some buildings collapsed. at least two people treated for serious injuries. 360 follow-up, federal investigators say a fire last weekend at a site in tennessee where a mosque was being built was deliberately set, accelerants were used. the dow gained 128 points. investors liked the august jobs report, which showed fewer job losses than july. the dow is now back in the black for the first time of the year. action off the court at the u.s. open in new york. we found this on break.com. three fans arguing, apparently, over one man's foul mouth. the argument escalated into a brawl that actually stopped the match. all three were escorted out of the stadium. the final score, anderson, not love-love. >> yeah. i watched this earlier. it was disturb to see. the guy seemed like kind of a jerk, just talking a lot. >> out of control. >> i hate it when people talk at the games or movies. it drives me nuts. anyway, i digress. tom, thank you. talking to andre agassi, the secrets he kept for years and
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tonight's big 360 interview, andre agassi. it's easy to see the enormous impact he has had on the sport. the game made him rich, made him a household name but at the same time for a long time left him very unhappy. in his brutally honest auto biography "open" he reveals what was a lie. image masked everything back then. i spoke to him earlier. >> one of the things i was struck by in the book was just the loneliness that you experienced, especially as a child and through the teenage years, playing -- basically being forced to play tennis. >> it was definitely a life i didn't choose. you have to be very clear about that. my father sort of impressed upon all of his children that that's what we're going to do and that's how we're going to have the quickest road to the american dream. >> what comes across in the book
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is clearly there were a lot of times and a lot of years that you just hated it. >> for sure. i always say i went from not a love/hate. it was a hate/love. i didn't learn to love -- >> did you hate it from the -- at 7 you started -- your dad started you playing? >> i started playing as soon as i was in diapers playing tennis. a ping pong racket was taped to my hand. >> literally taped it to your hand? >> literally taped it to my hand. do you really hate tennis? i think you misdirect it and you hate what tennis does to your family. i think you hate what tennis makes you feel. >> what did it make you feel as a kid? >> winning or losing, practicing well or not changed the mood in our house. my dad was convinced we should all be champions. i was the last, the baby of four. it fell on my shoulders and i had the most talent in the house. i sort of internalized as i watched the relationship between my father and watched the relationship between my family change over the years. it was, for me, the only way to make it right was to succeed at this. i used to be introduced as the future number one tennis player in the world. >> that's how he would introduce
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you to people? >> that's how he would introduce me to people. when you're 7 years old, things are bigger than life. i write this book in first person. i'm talking about what a 7-year-old feels when they feel like their life is on the line. their family, dinner at the dinner table, or everybody eating separately because today was a good day or not a bad day. >> if it was a bad day, people would eat separately? that would ruin the day? >> in my mind, at least what i was hoping for. not that my father was abusive, but just phenomenally intense. so when you lost or weren't at your best, it ate at him. he was a perfectionist. that means we're getting up in the morning extra early, we're doing this, we're doing that, we're going to bed earlier. homework is less of a priority. >> you talked about the school you went to as a kid, the nick boliteri tennis school, i think it's called. it sounds like "lord of the flies," incredibly unsupervised where you were living and it's very much sink or swim. dog eat dog. >> there's no question. you eat what you kill.
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you raise each other -- >> you eat what you kill? >> you eat what you kill. >> is that the slogan of the school? >> at the time -- i'm writing it as a felt abandoned 13-year-old. it's not where it stands now or what this academy is. for me being there, people knew where we were at all times of the day. the truth is, you're raising each other as teenagers and you stick some teenagers together, i refer to as "lord of the flies" of the forehands. >> was there a fantasy you had of getting out? >> i did. i had fantasies of quitting, of running, of actually succeeding. i did it tortured and i did it rebelling at the same time. i did it painting my hair, putting on mohawks, piercing my body and just anything i could, drink, jack daniel. >> you see yourself as a pro with the long hair and the denim pants and shorts, what do you see? >> i see somebody struggling for identity, struggling to understand themselves.
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i see somebody exploring who they are. it was always treated as self expression when, really, it was my exploration. i didn't know who i was. >> did your dad read this book? >> no. >> he didn't? >> no. and i talked to him about it, because i wanted to talk to him about it. >> it's kind of amazing. >> it is but, you know, he said to me straight out -- he's an immigrant from iran andaid to me straight out what the hell do i need a book for? i was there, i was there. i said, yeah, dad, but you're hearing things about it and that bothers me because i describe you an honest, loving portrayal of you. >> it's a complex portrayal. >> right. >> it's not something you're going to see on a tv show in a headline. >> exactly. he's seeing all these sensationalized bits and i'm saying to him, are you okay with that, dad? he said if i had to do this all over again, i would do the same exact thing except it wouldn't be tennis. i wouldn't let you play tennis. it would be golf or baseball. so i said to him, why golf or baseball? because you can play longer and you can make more money. and i said, you know what?
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god bless you, man. god bless you. he was clear then. he's clear now and we should all be so lucky to know ourselves so well that we can rationalize other things. for my father, he knows where he stands. >> but, i mean, doesn't that -- a, to put the effort into something you spent three years working on, it's got to hurt to not have -- i wrote a book and my mom was the first person to read it, you know, and said nothing but nice things about it, which is kind of what you want to hear from your parent, yeah? >> you do. there are a lot of things i would have probably wanted with that. but at the same time there comes a time in your life when you stop wanting and you start wanting to understand. >> right. >> and i speventnt a lot of tim understanding. >> the paperback for his book is now out. my big 360 interview with andre agassi continues. confessions off the court and more of the secrets he kept from his fans.
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we're back with more of our conversation with andre agassi, won 60 titles and won tens of millions of dollars. he said it was a life imposed on
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him, just one of the fascinating details of his auto biography "open" out now in paperback. here is part two of the 360 interview with andre agassi. >> very quickly, there was a shot just recently, roger federer, made an amazing shot. i want to show that to our viewers and then show a shot you made. >> between the legs. he does it again! he does it again, everybody. hello! >> 1995, andre agassi. >> from 1995. >> that was a better shot. >> actually, had a breeze on my back. this was actually an easier shot. he didn't think i could generate that kind of pace. roger federer has been lucky the last ten years. i don't believe that. >> how can you be so good at something that you hated? i mean, when you hate something
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every day, day in, day out, most people, it affects the way they perform. >> it does. and i could have been better, there's no question about it. >> but you were a great tennis player. you were able to, you know -- you were far and above the vast majority of people playing tennis. >> but i didn't really succeed until i did take that ownership. i won more grand slams after the age of 29 than i did before. i think what i would say to the everyday person, the person that hates what they do, one of the things you take away from this book, your life may not be -- you may find yourself in the life that you're in, but you can find reasons for why you connect to it and how you connect to it. >> a lot of people are trapped in jobs that they hate. >> yeah. >> so your recommendation to people who are doing something they hate is what, and feel trapped in it? >> to sum up what somebody's life experience is, is hard to do. you can't give broad platitudes about how to handle your life. what i can do is share with you what i did with mine. >> do you watch tennis now?
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>> i love watching tennis. i actually love it because i'm not attached to the dramas of it, you know. and i have this real appreciation for what it takes. and guys are just better now. you know, you sit there and watch athleticism and watch what they're doing and marvel at their journey. you see somebody young, see so much journey and at the same time you don't envy it. i have no desire to relive it. >> there was a tiny portion, a page or two in your book about experimenting with crystal meth at one point in your life. when you see athletes now and all the accusations of doping, can you be a professional athlete now and not be using something? >> well, if you're talking -- let's make -- separate the categories here. >> obviously what you were doing was completely different. >> there's performance enhancing drugs and then there's just recreational drugs that destroy who you are. >> right. crystal meth is something obviously that an athlete would not use to enhance.
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>> every sport needs to step up and be accountable, any industry in life, any business in life and any possible opportunity in life you'll have a lot of people trying to take short cuts, a lot of people cheating. you can't control what people do. what you can control is your governing body. one thing i've been very impressed with over the years, including when i tested positive for crystal meth, recreational performance inhibitor is a fact that our sport has pushed to be on the cutting edge of that. >> you built yourself a life beyond just playing the game. >> i built myself something that tennis facilitated, a school that started to educate children and give them choices in their own life. i raised the awareness and money necessary to educate these kids. i felt a lack of education in my own life. i was a ninth-grade dropout. with education comes choices, comes options. >> your school is in las vegas. how many kids go to your school? >> it's a k through 12 public charter school. we probably have the capacity of -- >> fru tuition for them? >> it's a free education for them. my goal is to give resources, be
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accountable with the resources and my goal was to take that, give it to those children that society says we should write off, that don't have a chance. we've had two graduating classes. i've been doing this 12 or 13 years and every single one of them are off to college. and i'm really proud of that. through most of the last part of my career, that's one of the things i was fighting for. >> the book is fascinating. thanks for coming. >> it was a pleasure, anderson. thank you. up next, killer water. first came the massive flooding. now survivors are dealing with a second wave of life-threatening illness. dr. sanjay gupta's 360 dispatch from pakistan, coming up. ( woman ) even my pizza place stores my information digitally.
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in pakistan, the humanitarian disaster from the devastating floods shows no sign of easing. hundreds of thousands have been left homeless and the threat from water-born disease is growing. dr. sanjay gupta has been in the flood zone, reporting on the massive tragedy. here is tonight's report.
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>> electrolytes -- >> now getting something millions across pakistan cannot. medical care. it's amazing, because up until a couple of days ago, his life looked like this. then he got sick. very sick. a parent's love for their son took over. knowing he would die, they took a gamble, left everything they had behind and just started moving, somewhere, anywhere. we've probably never seen them lined like this before but this is a line for people waiting to get into the hospital. you see garbage all around the place. they stay here, all day long, waiting. a lot of people have infectious diseases that are associated with drinking contaminated water. this is a diarrheal treatment center specifically for children. he finally made it inside. your town is completely covered
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in water? he has been sick for some time. he was saying he was sick before the flood and just became much worse during the flooding. 3 years old, weighs just 10 pounds. he is so small. for compare son, i have a 3-year-old daughter. she weighs closer to 30 pounds. he is so fragile. young children have weaker immune systems. they become more easily dehydrated. like millions of people around the country, he didn't have a choice when he got thirsty. killer water or none at all. imagine drinking that. i have covered so many natural disasters. there's always fear of a second wave of disease. but access to clean water helped control that risk after the haiti quake. in pakistan, though, the second wave, it's already here. it's so hard to see these little kids so sick on these dusty, dirty tables, ivs hanging.
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this baby is so small all you see is her little foot hanging out with an iv, again. another child here, and these children are sick. this is a diarrheal treatment center to take care of them. some of these kids have come from a flood but some of them are just citizens of pakistan dealing with these issues on a pretty regular basis. killer water. just consider the impact. already a million people with crippling diarrhea. malaria, 65,000 cases and the world health organization projecting hundreds of thousands of patients with cholera, dysentery and typhoid. pakistan could literally be held hostage by killer water, affecting pakistan's next generation like this little 3-year-old. check things to see how dehydrated they are. push on the tips of their fingers and blood doesn't really come back very quickly. so dehydrated.
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he has a very weak pulse as well. his poor little mouth is so dry. but he's in the right place. he's one of the lky ones. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, karachi, pakistan. >> that's our report tonight. thanks for watching. have a safe holiday weekend. see you back monday, labor day. see you then. the 2010 malib and silverado half-ton have each been named a consumers digest best buy. they like that chevy backs the quality with a one-hundred-thousand mile powertrain warranty. they're not just trading in, they're trading up. qualified lessees now get a low mileage lease on this malibu ls for around one ninety-nine a month. call for details. the switch begins at chevydealer.com.
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hello, everyone. i'm cnn meteorologist karen mcginnis. we have the very latest information regarding hurricane earl. earl has now been downgraded to tropical storm intensity. the winds associated with it now at 70 miles an hour. there are some gusts that are a little bit higher. and just to kind of give you where the position on this is, it is about 90 miles south-southeast of nantucket. already, they're seeing some wind gusts between about 25 and
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around 45 miles an hour. now it's going to continue its trek more towards the northeast as we go into the next 24 hours. but this system has had a very long life. it battered the coast of north carolina in the past 24 hours. we did see some damage there. reports are most of that minor to moderate damage along some of those coastal barrier islands. but now this is enough offshore where we're going to see some of that wall of water make its way onshore. this being at tropical storm strength now, we're looking at maybe some light to moderate beach erosion across this region, maybe some power outages. although right now these tropical storm force winds are not as intense as we were looking at across the mid atlantic, just about 24 hours or so ago. so, it is at tropical storm intensity, moving off fairly rapidly towards the northeast now at just about 25 miles an hour. here is kind of the view as we take a look at what's happening.
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new york looks fine. just a few isolated showers. it's going to be a little bit breezy. and across the cape region, as i mentioned, tropical storm force winds having been reported there. we'll keep you updated throughout the evening and overnight hours, top and bottom of the hour. i'm cnn meteorologist karen mcginnis. now "ac 360" begins right now. good evening again. thanks so much for joining us tonight. can a politician simply refuse to debate her opponents and refuse to answer questions from reporters and still get elected? we will soon find out. fresh from her debate disaster, arizona's governor says never again, no more debates, period. wait until you hear the reason she says she took part in that one disastrous debate wednesday. according to her, it wasn't to talk to voters. it was money, $1.7 million. we're keeping them honest. also tonight another politician that seems to be dodging questions and responsibility, democratic congresswoman eddie bernice johnson, now blaming her top staffer for a scholarship
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scandal, giving thousands in charities of scholarship money to her relatives and staffer's relatives. we're tracking earl roaring up the east coast, though nowhere near as strong as anyone feared. it's now closing in on new england. where, when and how badly it could affect your labor day weekend. andre agassi dominated tennis and, for much of his life, hated every single minute of it. we'll go in depth with -- the life he says was hoisted on him. keeping them honest with a surprise announcement from arizona governor jan brewer today. first came the debate meltdown. then she dodged the media. now she's saying her discombobulated debate was her last. she's refusing to participate in any more debates and says she took part in the one debate to get money, which is what she told the "arizona star" today. she won't do it again, she tells the paper, because debates help her opponent more than they benefit her.
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what about her obligation to the voters? because she's the sitting governor, her obligation to the people of arizona? we'll talk about that shortly. let's take a look at what happened in the one debate she did participate in. it was wednesday night. you've probably seen her opening statement, which candidates traditionally practice over and over. it was pretty much a complete meltdown. >> it's great to be here with larry, barry and terry and thank you all for watching us tonight. i have, uh, done so much and i just cannot believe that we have changed everything since i have become your governor in the last 600 days. arizona has been brought back from its abyss. we have cut the budget. we have balanced the budget and we are moving forward. we have done everything that we could possibly do.
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we have, uh -- did what was right for arizona. i can tell you that i have really -- did the very best that anyone could do and we have pushed back had hard against the federal government. we have filed suit against obama health care and we have passed senate bill 1070 and we will continue to do what's right for arizona. i ask for your vote. thank you. >> painful to watch, no doubt about it. you may say everyone has a brain freeze every now and then. what the governor went on to do later during the debate and especially afterwards with reporters was almost as embarrassing. we're seeing this tactic more and more used by candidates. i want to show you what happened later on during that same debate. the governor's chief opponent, a democrat, attorney general terry g goddard, repeatedly called upon the governor to retract a false statement she made in june, in which she said arizona law
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enforcement has found decapitated bodies in the arizona desert. >> what's hurting us right now economically are false statements made by jan brewer about how arizona has become so violent, that we are a place of fear, that we have beheadings in the desert. those are false statements that cause people to think that arizona is a dangerous place and they don't come here and they don't invest here because our governor has said such negative things about our state. and, jan, i call upon you today to say that there are no beheadings, that was a false statement and it needs to be cleared up right now. >> and, you know, terry, i will call you out. i think that you ought to renounce your support and endorsement of the unions. >> now the governor didn't answer the question there, instead tried to turn the question on goddard, a debate tactic. look what happened immediately after the debate when the governor was confronted with the same questions by a group of reporters. >> governor, why wouldn't you recant the comment you made earlier about the beheadings in the desert? >> seriously. that is a serious question. >> this was an interesting night.
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>> please answer the question about the headless bodies. why won't you recant that? do you still believe that? come on, governor. >> okay, thank you, all. >> oh! >> she totally ignores their questions and tries to give her prepared talking points and then walks out. no law enforcement agencies have reported finding decapitated people in the u.s. in mexico, absolutely. not in america. amazing, the governor claimed she never actually said that decapitated bodies were found in arizona. i never said arizona, she said. keeping them honest, first the beheadings on the news. >> which beheadings in arizona are you referring to? >> law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded. >> all right. she didn't actually say the word arizona but she didn't say the anchor was wrong when he said arizona and she was talking about american law enforcement finding beheaded people in the desert. sounds like she was talking about arizona. that wasn't the first time she
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actually raised the issue. sure enough, brewer talked about beheadings, admitted to the associated press she misspoke and went on to say let me be clear, i'm concerned about the border region, because it continues to be repeated in mexico there's a lot of violence going on and we don't want that going in to arizona. she won't take part in any more debates, remains to be seen if she will refuse to answer questions and simply give out prepared statements like she did on wednesday. it seems like the way she's dealing with embarrassing answers is to stop taking questions at all. >> that's the strategy. the gamble she's taking here basically is look, it's labor day now. two months until the election. she's 20 points ahead in the latest poll. arizona is a republican friendly state that will be particularly friendly because of the national climate. she's basically gambling that the damage she'll get from the free media attention, segments like this tonight in arizona and nationally over the next two months will be offset by two things. one, the national climate which will make voters inclined to vote for republicans just
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because they don't want to vote for democrats. two, the climate in arizona on the issue of immigration. >> she's popular on that issue. >> right. >> so why try to answer questions that just will get her in trouble? >> right. you're betting on no matter how incompetent she seems, one thing besides this that every arizonan knows about her, she's the governor that signed the immigration law. if it's a huge issue to you in arizona, and it is a big issue to a big chunk of the electorate, that may offset any concerns they have about her temperament. it's a big gamble, though. that's a lot of time for damage to set in. you know, there's a famous story of 1990 when a guy name paul westin, one of the big upsets of the year. he won because his opponent ducked debates and he put this ad up, very clever ad. he was trying to track his opponent down, couldn't find him in arizona, couldn't find him to debate. and there was a popular revolt. >> but there is also such
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anti-media sentiment right now, particularly among, you know, conservatives and she could use that to her advantage. she could say, look, all the -- she has been. >> right. >> all the media is talking about is beheadings, beheadings, beheadings. she could start to look like a victim of an overzealous media, frankly also being used by this democrat in texas. it's the same strategy by representative johnson saying on the scholarship scandal, she said i was trying to create a scandal, now accusing the dallas morning news reporter who broke it of having a vendetta against her politically motivated. >> democratic party, somebody on the right and the republican party, the base of support for every politician always believes that the media is out to get that mri politician. george w. bush's supporters thought it was out to get him. barack obama's supporters think it's out to get him. jan brewer's base will absolutely respond that way. in every election there's 10%, 15% of the electorate that you can call swing voters, who literally jump from one party to
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the other. what will be more important to them in arizona this fall, their inclination to vote against democrats and their views on the immigration issue? if that's more important, brewer gets their votes. if the issues about her temperament, personality and competence, if that becomes more important, she loses those votes and only then can the democrat win. >> she wasn't even supposed to win her primary months and months ago. >> right. it's because of this issue. >> because of the immigration issue? >> right. you talk about how the base responds, thinks the media is out to get her. the base of the republican party had no particular affection for jan brewer. she was probably going to lose her primary. she signed this bill. she became an instant hero to them. then with the media, basically, in arizona and nationally saying what a draconian bill this was, cemented what you were saying. not only do we like her for signing this but we like her for sticking up to the media. they're calling her these names, they're calling us these names. >> we'll see what her opponent, if he tries to use this debate performance against her and also
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if she continues to stonewall reporters on questions. steve kornacki, appreciate it. keeping them honest, she said she was unaware of rules on awarding scholarship money to her family, then she said the rules were unclear, then blamed a staffer. the latest from congresswoman eddie bernice johnson. the 911 tapes when the discovery gunman was holding hostages. they were just released tonight and, as expected, they are chilling. >> i am almost directly behind the suspect, behind a wall. i have visual on his apparatus. i am losing battery on my portable. if somebody else comes in via the garden, there will be a security officer standing by to walk you where i am. >> hey, vega, he's looking at you to see where you're going. well-being.
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this week, she said she repaid $31,000 in scholarship money to the congressional black caucus foundation. i just want to recap as to how this all came to be in case you haven't been following it. according to "the dallas morning news," she gave out 23 scholarships over five years to two relatives, two grandchildren and two greatnephews and also gave money to children of a top staffer. that's more than a third of all scholarships she awarded during that period. you don't even have to see the rules of the cbc foundation to know this is completely inappropriate. but we checked anyway. kids are eligible for these scholarships if they have a 2.5 grade point average, letters of recommendation, write an essay and also they have to be a member of a school district of the member of the member's district. and they cannot be a relative of anyone affiliated with the congressional black caucus. the kids all signed it, promising they weren't related
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to anyone with the congressional black caucus. the congresswoman violated the rule of awarding her own relatives but according to "the dallas morning news," none of these kids went to schools in her district. keeping them honest, we wanted to know how someone, anyone, could be unaware of or confused by clear-cut rules or basic ethics. i spoke with representative johnson. thanks for joining us. you said you didn't know the rules for this scholarship and didn't know that you couldn't give the money to your grandson and other relatives of yours and a member of your staff. how is that possible, that you didn't know that not only was this against the rules of the scholarship, but simply unethical? >> well, let me just say this. i was not aware of the rules. the rules have been very ambiguous. there were some rules that come out last year, but, you know, i have acknowledged i made a mistake. i have tried to make everything whole. i have paid all the money out of my personal funds. and i'm ready to move on. >> you say the rules were ambiguous prior to last year and that you didn't know what the
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rules were. we found the 2008 scholarship application, and on it, it says, quote, employees and/or relatives of cbc members, cbc spouses, cbc foundation, the board of directors are ineligible for the scholarship program. we also went back and found the 2006 guidelines from four years ago, and it says the exact same thing, employees and/or relatives of cbc members, cbc spouses, cbc foundation board of directors are ineligible for the scholarship program. that seems not ambiguous. >> i didn't realize they were even in print, as i indicated. i have no reason not to tell the truth. i did not know they were in print. >> you say you didn't know it was in print but clearly members of your staff knew that those were printed in the rules, because when your grandsons and grandnephews and the members of -- the family members of your staff who got this money for several years in a row, every time they sent in an application, they had to promise that they weren't a relative of you or anyone connected with the cbc. so, people on your staff -- >> i admit -- i admit that i
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made a mistake. i did not realize that. >> no, no, but the point is that people on your staff knew the rules. so, have you looked into who on your staff knew the rules? >> anderson, i have acknowledged that i was negligent. i have acknowledged that i made a mistake. when it was called to my attention, i tried to correct it. i know you want to make a scandal out of this and i -- but i can't help you. all i can do is tell you the truth. >> well, i think you've done enough in terms of making a scandal. i'm trying to figure out how it happened. you say you take responsibility. i'm asking specifically who on your staff reviewed these applications because whoever did this saw that these kids were promising that they weren't your relatives. what? >> my chief of staff had the responsibility. i can't tell you always did, because, to be quite honest with you, i work pretty hard. we have a lot to do and it really has not gotten all of my attention, i regret to say. it's a minor part of what we do on a daily basis.
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>> it does seem, though, to -- >> and i have indicated to you that i was negligent. i made a mistake. i have tried to right it and that's all i can do. >> because it does seem to strain credibility to say that you, as a public official, didn't understand that it just ethically -- whether or not you read the rules that ethically there would be a problem with giving money to your grandsons for several years when there are other kids out there who could have gotten that money. >> other kids? >> who weren't, by the way -- your grandkids weren't even living in your district or going to school in your district. >> how do you want me to answer that? i made a mistake. >> as a public official, how do you know that that's not ethically right? >> say what? >> as a public official who has been in congress for a long time, how do you know that that is not ethically right? whether or not you read the rules but basic ethics. >> you're talking about the last three or four years. >> i'm talking about five years that you've been doing this that we know about. >> well, the only thing i can tell you is what i have said.
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i will keep repeating it. i've made a mistake. >> you never heard that ethically there might be a problem with awarding money? >> i did not hear it, no. >> never occurred to you? no member of your staff ever over the course of five years said it to you? >> i didn't think about it that much, you know, because i'm trying to make sure it doesn't -- i know it won't happen again. i'm initiating a new committee in place. i'm the last one that they send these things to and usually they go right to my chief of staff. i have not dwelled on trying to figure out a way to give my grandchildren $1,000 a year. i have not done that. i have a lot of things to do and i'm not saying that i didn't do right by not dwelling on it, but this is just one scholarship out of hundreds of scholarships that are offered to kids that i steer them to within my district. >> okay. did you or any member of your staff tell your grandsons, your grandnephews or the children of the other member of your staff to lie on the forms?
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>> no. i have had no conversation about lying on anything. >> so they just lied on their own? >> on that form or any other form. >> did they just lie on their own or were they coached by members of your staff? >> i don't consider them having lied. >> they said they weren't your relatives. >> i don't know that they've even sign seen those forms. >> they've signed those forms. it's part of the application process. >> you have seen more than i have, anderson. >> you don't know about this at all? >> i don't have the forms. the records -- the records are missing from my office. >> the records are missing from your office? >> yes. we've looked for them. they're not there and -- >> but the congressional black caucus foundation has -- >> trying to correct the mistake. >> right. the congressional black caucus foundation, we had them on the other night, and they told us, yes, each of your relatives said they were not your relative on the form. they signed off that everything was true on the application. >> i'm sorry that happened.
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i'm not even aware of it and i know that my grandkids didn't do this intentionally. i don't even know if they've seen the forms because i hadn't seen the forms until this year. >> well, they signed the forms. >> let me assure you that i have repaid all of the money. i'm not blaming anybody but myself. i'm taking full responsibility. and i'm going to move forward. >> well, representative johnson, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> congresswoman johnson's take on the scandal. joining me now is todd gillman of "the dallas morning news," who broke this story and has new developments. thanks for being with us. what did you make of that interview? that happened last night. what did you make of it? >> you got a lot of answers out of her. and you asked a lot of really terrific questions. she changed her story substantially last night. it was the first time she had ever said that it was the responsibility of her chief of staff to review these applications and enforce the rules. we had no idea that these
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records were lost. the fact that she says that she did not coach and no one coached her relatives to lie on these forms was very interesting. it really strains credibility for a lot of people that nobody had any idea, that she had no idea that there were such rules in place. in 2005, the very first year she awarded scholarships to some of her relatives, she was a member of the congressional black caucus foundation board. and there is not a major philanthropic organization that doesn't have rules against self dealing. >> even if she didn't know the rules of this particular scholarship, which strains credibility, basic ethics for anybody in public office, in public life -- i mean, you know that giving things, money, to your relative who doesn't even live in the district, that's just -- i mean, that's got to raise questions. if it doesn't raise questions
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for her, which i find impossible to believe for a person sitting in congress for nine terms, it's got to raise questions for people on her staff. this didn't just happen once. it happened year after year after year. there would have to be a big turnover of her staff and people had to come in and say, wait a minute. we're giving money to her grandkids? >> i suppose you could argue that once the mistake was made in 2005,t might have been easier to make the same mistake year after year after year. you're also touching on an issue that has disturbed a lot of voters and a lot of our readers in the dallas area, which is there is a distinction between what you can get away with, technically, and what you ought to do. and that is a question of ethics. >> you are still digging on this story. as i said, "the dallas morning news" has done remarkable work on this. you found other scholarships improperly awarded by representative johnson to others who weren't in her district. but now also others, it seems, have come forward, saying they have been trying to contact johnson's office about
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scholarships but were never told about these scholarships. it seems unclear, at least to me, how she ever really informed people in her district or if she did inform schools in her district about the scholarships or simply used them for her relatives and others who, one way or another, came into her orbit. >> she definitely did get the word out to some degree. we canvassed many high schools and many high school counselors in her congressional district. some were aware of the scholarship, some were not aware of the scholarship. we spoke with a number of the recipients or their parents who actually received the scholarship who were not among her relatives, who were eligible for this and they found out about it typically by going to guidance counselors or doing their own scholarship search to go to college and find financial aid. >> that's good to know. >> what you're referring to, we did uncover, in reviewing the 60 or so scholarships she has awarded in the past five years under the black caucus foundation program, we found another five students who lived outside of her congressional
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district, who had applied. and this actually, in some way, supports her story, which is that she did not consider the residency requirement to be a hard and fast requirement. she felt that it was a goal, that it was a guideline, but it was not a "must" kind of thing. these students, as far as we can tell, none of the other students were related. there was no conflict of interest, per se, but they didn't live and so they weren't eligible. but many of the students that she did help were scholar athletes, outstanding academically and deserved scholarships, they just weren't eligible because they didn't live or go to school in her district. >> we're out of time. i have to ask you briefly, she's using this tactic saying -- she's saying i'm trying to create a scandal. frankly, i think she did -- she created this thing and she is saying you have a vendetta against her that you're ideologically motivated and, therefore, your reporting is biased. you're reporting facts on what she has done.
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tell the story of the first time you reported on her and the column you wrote. >> well, i suppose there's a little bit of bad blood going back, in her mind perhaps. i wrote a story when i became a local political columnist in dallas. i found out that she was going to do a local public television show where she would take questions from voters. i went to cover it, thinking it was an ordinary congressman interaction with voters. nobody showed up except for her staff, who then proceeded to act the part of ordinary citizens in her district, who were posing questions, some of them even called in. her press secretary called in, pretending to be just a regular voter and i called her on it. so, this was a rather embarrassing -- the headline was something like congresswoman's tv show fills an hour, but it's no "60 minutes." that was about 15 years ago. if she still remembers it, i imagine that's us getting off on the wrong foot. but the allegation that we have a vendetta, disgruntled ex-employee spread this about her and that's how this all came about, it's like saying people
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were spreading a vicious truth about her. there's nothing untrue that whoever the tipster was and whatever we put in the paper, it's all true. that's why she paid back the $31,000. >> you're doing your job, uncovering facts. we appreciate the reporting. we'll continue to follow it and talk to you again. thank you. >> great to be here. the latest on hurricane earl and new 911 tapes released from the discovery channel hostage crisis. the drama inside and outside the building. >> we need snipers in the windows surrounding where the suspect is. he does have what appears to be a pressure release device. we could've gone a more traditional route... ... but it wouldn't have been nearly as memorable. ♪
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hello, everyone. i'm cnn meteorologist karen mcginnis. we are watching the progress of what is now tropical storm earl as it lashes the coast of new england. now, stay here on cnn all throughout the overnight hours. we'll be bringing you live updates at the top and the bottom of every hour. right now, tropical storm earl supporting winds of 70 miles an hour. we're seeing tropical storm force winds lash the coast of massachusetts. some of the highest wind peaks we've seen so far right around 45 miles an hour. we'll continue to bring you updates. another update coming up in about 30 minutes at the top of the hour. "anderson cooper 360" continues right now. >> snipers in the windows surrounding where the suspect
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is. >> description of an apparatus around the suspect. >> 15-20 go. >> like mini backpack, looks like two canisters on the outside, looks like a propane bottle on the inside, but like two coffee cans surrounded by a procontain canister. flashing light in his left hand, almost a death grip, red luminous light, continuously flashing. same thing on the front, strapped around his waist. >> confirm that the suspect has something in his hand? like a grip, he said, or a button? >> yes, and suspect is carrying the grip in his left hand, like a death grip. >> was it wire or batteries or anything associated with that that you can see? >> like a red led light, like a release button that is continuously flashing. he has a microphone, like a janet jackson microphone to his mouth and he is protesting verbally. the security guard, who is hostage at this point -- looks like he's trying to affix something to one of the security guards in the lobby. >> fired two shots so he can make entry into the building on
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the other side. >> he has one of the hostages that's laying on the floor. he's got him up, talking to him. looks like he's giving him instructions and hopefully he will be coming out this front door in just a minute. >> police recovered two starter pistols and four explosive devices at the scene. let's go next to tom form with an update on other news. powerful earthquake in new zealand. it struck saturday morning local time. state of emergency has been declared there. some buildings collapsed. at least two people treated for serious injuries. 360 follow-up, federal investigators say a fire last weekend at a site in tennessee where a mosque is being built was deliberately set, accelerants were used. the dow gained 128 points. investors liked the august jobs report, which showed fewer job losses than july. the dow is now back in the black for the first time of the year. action off the court at the u.s. open in new york. we found this on break.com. three fans arguing, apparently,
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over one man's foul mouth. the argument escalated into a brawl that actually stopped the match. all three were escorted out of the stadium. the final score, anderson, not love-love. >> yeah. i watched this earlier. it was disturbing to see. the guy seemed like a jerk, just talking a lot. >> out of control. >> i hate it when people talk at the games or movies. it drives me nuts. anyway, i digress. tom, thank you. >> talking to andre agassi, what you don't know about the legend, the secrets he kept for years and why he says he hated the sport for years. t is yours. having a strong signal at your back... is like having invisible power everywhere. because in that moment... you're not there to take up space. you're there to fill the room. rule the air. verizon. right now, buy a blackberry smartphone and get a second one free. like the bold. only at verizon.
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years, playing -- basically being forced to play tennis. >> it was definitely a life i didn't choose. you have to be very clear about that. my father sort of impressed upon all of his children that that's what we're going to do and that's how we're going to have the quickest road to the american dream. >> what comes across in the book is clearly there were a lot of times and a lot of years that you just hated it. >> for sure. i always say i went from not a love/hate. it was a hate/love. i didn't learn to love -- >> did you hate it from the -- at 7 you started -- your dad started you playing? >> i started playing as soon as i was in diapers playing tennis. my dad taped a ping pong racket to my hand and put a ball on my crib. >> literally taped it to your hand? >> literally taped it to my hand. do you really hate tennis? i think you misdirect it and you hate what tennis does to your family. i think you hate what tennis makes you feel. >> what did it make you feel as a kid? >> winning or losing, practicing well or not changed the mood in
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our house. my dad was convinced we should all be champions. i was the last, the baby of four. it fell on my shoulders and i had the most talent in the house. i sort of internalized as i watched the relationship between my father and watched the relationship between my family change over the years. it was, for me, the only way to make it right was to succeed at this. i used to be introduced as the future number one tennis player in the world. >> that's how he would introduce you to people? >> that's how he would introduce me to people. when you're 7 years old, things are bigger than life. i write this book in first person. i'm talking about what a 7-year-old feels when they feel like their life is on the line. their family, dinner at the dinner table, or everybody eating separately because today was a good day or not a bad day. >> if it was a bad day, people would eat separately? that would ruin the day? >> in my mind, at least what i was hoping for. not that my father was abusive, but just phenomenally intense. so when you lost or weren't at your best, it ate at him. he was a perfectionist. that means we're getting up in the morning extra early, we're doing this, we're doing that,
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which means we're going to bed earlier, which means homework is less of a priority. >> you talked about the school you went to as a kid, the nick bollettieri tennis school, i think it's called. it sounds like "lord of the flies," incredibly unsupervised where you were living and it's very much sink or swim. dog eat dog. >> there's no question. you eat what you kill. you raise each other -- >> you eat what you kill? >> you eat what you kill. >> is that the slogan of the school? >> at the time -- you've got to remember, i'm writing it as a felt abandoned 13-year-old. so it's not a fair assessment of where it stands now or what this academy is. but for me being there, people knew where we were at all times of the day. but the truth is, you're raising each other as teenagers and you stick some teenagers together -- i refer to it as "lord of the flies" with forehands is how i refer to it. >> was there a fantasy you had of getting out? >> i did. i had fantasies of quitting, of running, of actually succeeding. i did it tortured and i did it rebelling at the same time. i did it painting my hair, putting on mohawks, piercing my
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body and just anything i could, drinking jack daniels. >> when you see now pictures of yourself as a pro with the long hair and the denim pants and shorts, what do you see? >> i see somebody struggling for identity, struggling to understand themselves. i see somebody exploring who they are. it was always treated as self expression when, really, it was my exploration. i didn't know who i was. >> did your dad read this book? >> no. >> he didn't? >> no. and i talked to him about it, because i wanted to talk to him about it. >> it's kind of amazing. >> it is but, you know, he said to me straight out -- he's an immigrant from iran and said to me straight out what the hell do i need a book for? i was there, i was there. i said, yeah, dad, but you're hearing things about it and that bothers me because i describe you an honest, loving portrayal of you. >> it's a complex portrayal. >> right. >> it's not something you're going to see on a tv show in a headline. >> exactly. he's seeing all these
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sensationalized bits and so i said to him, are you okay with that, dad? he said if i had to do this all over again, i would do the same exact thing except it wouldn't be tennis. i wouldn't let you play tennis. it would be golf or baseball. so i said to him, why golf or baseball? because you can play longer and you can make more money. and i said, you know what? god bless you, man. god bless you. he was clear then. he's clear now and we should all be so lucky to know ourselves so well that we can rationalize other things. for my father, he knows where he stands. >> but, i mean, doesn't that -- a, to put the effort into something you spent three years working on, it's got to hurt to not have -- i wrote a book and my mom was the first person to read it, you know, and said nothing but nice things about it, which is kind of what you want to hear from your parent, no? >> you do. there are a lot of things i would have probably wanted with that. but at the same time there comes a time in your life when you stop wanting and you start wanting to understand. >> right. >> and i spent a lot of time understanding.
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we're back with more of our conversation with andre agassi, the tennis great who won 60 titles and earned tens of millions of dollars. he played the sport
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professionally since he was 16 years old and for a long time just hated it. he said it was a life imposed on him, just one of the fascinating details of his autobiography "open" out now in paperback. here is part two of the 360 interview with andre agassi. >> very quickly, there was a shot just recently, roger federer, made an amazing shot. i want to show that to our viewers and then show a shot you made. >> between the legs. he does it again! he does it again, everybody. hello! >> 1995, andre agassi. >> from 1995. >> that was a better shot. >> actually, had a breeze on my back. this was actually an easier shot. he didn't think i could generate that kind of pace from over my shoulder. as far as roger federer, he has
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been lucky for the last ten years. i don't believe that. >> how can you be so good at something that you hated? i mean, when you hate something every day, day in, day out, most people, it affects the way they perform. >> it does. and i could have been better, there's no question about it. >> but you were a great tennis player. you were able to, you know -- you were far and above the vast majority of people playing tennis. >> but i didn't really succeed until i did take that ownership. i won more grand slams after the age of 29 than i did before. i think what i would say to the everyday person, the person that hates what it is they do, i think that's one of the things you take away from this book. your life may not be -- you may find yourself in the life that you're in, but you can find reasons for why you connect to it and how you connect to it. >> a lot of people are trapped in jobs that they hate. >> yeah. >> so your recommendation to people who are doing something they hate is what, and feel trapped in it? >> to sum up what somebody's life experience is, is hard to do. you can't give broad platitudes about how to handle your life.
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what i can do is share with you what i did with mine. >> do you watch tennis now? >> i love watching tennis. i actually love it because i'm not attached to the dramas of it, you know. and i have this real appreciation for what it takes. and guys are just better now. you know, you sit there and watch athleticism and watch what they're doing and marvel at their journey. you see somebody young, see so much journey ahead of them. at the same time, you don't envy it. i have no desire to relive it. >> there was obviously some attention to a very tiny portion, about a page or two in your book, about experimenting with crystal meth at one point in your life. when you see athletes now and all the accusations of doping, can you be a professional athlete now and not be using something? >> well, if you're talking -- let's make -- separate the categories here. >> obviously, what you were doing was completely different. >> there's performance enhancing drugs and then there's just recreational drugs that destroy
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who you are. >> right. crystal meth is not something obviously that an athlete would use to enhance performance. >> every sport needs to step up and be accountable, any industry in life, any business in life and any possible opportunity in life you'll have a lot of people trying to take short cuts, a lot of people cheating. you can't control what people do. what you can control is your governing body. one thing i've been very impressed with over the years, including when i tested positive for crystal meth, recreational performance inhibitor is a fact that our sport has pushed to be on the cutting edge of that. >> you built yourself a life beyond just playing the game. >> i built myself something that tennis facilitated, a school that started to educate children and give them choices in their own life. i raised the awareness and money necessary to educate these kids. i felt a lack of education in my own life. i was a ninth-grade dropout. with education comes choices, comes options. >> your school is in las vegas. how many kids go to your school? >> it's a k through 12 public
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charter school. we have 653 students. we probably have the capacity of -- >> free tuition for them? >> it's a free education for them. my goal is to give resources, be accountable with the resources and my goal was to take that, give it to those children that society says we should write off, that don't have a chance. we've had two graduating classes. i've been doing this 12 or 13 years and every single one of them are off to college. and i'm really proud of that. through most of the last part of my career, that's one of the things i was fighting for. up next, killer water. first came the massive flooding. now survivors are dealing with a second wave of life-threatening illness. dr. sanjay gupta's 360 dispatch from pakistan, coming up. [ female announcer ] there's complete. and then there's most complete, like what you get from centrum ultra women's, the most complete multivitamin for women. it has vitamin d, which emerging science suggests supports breast health, and calcium for bone health. centrum ultra women's. and calcium for bone health. my joints ache so bad, i wake up in pain every day.
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in pakistan, the humanitarian disaster from the devastating floods shows no sign of easing. at least 17 million people have been affected by the catastrophe, hundreds of thousands have been left homeless and the threat from water-born disease is growing. dr. sanjay gupta has been in the flood zone, reporting on the massive tragedy. here is tonight's report. >> electrolytes -- >> this boy is now getting something millions across pakistan cannot. medical care. it's amazing, because up until a couple of days ago, his life looked like this. then he got sick. very sick. a parent's love for their son took over. knowing he would die, they took a gamble, left everything they had behind and just started moving, somewhere, anywhere. we've probably never seen them
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lined like this before, but this is a line for people waiting to get into the hospital. you see garbage all around the place. they stay here, all day long, waiting. a lot of people have infectious diseases that are associated with drinking contaminated water. it's what we've been talking about. this is a diarrheal treatment center specifically for children. let's take a look. he finally made it inside. your town is completely covered in water? he has been sick for some time. he was saying he was sick before the flood and just became much worse during the flooding. 3 years old, weighs just 10 pounds. he is so small. for comparison, i have a 3-year-old daughter. she weighs closer to 30 pounds. he is so fragile. young children have weaker immune systems. they become more easily dehydrated. like millions of people around the country, he didn't have a choice when he got thirsty.
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killer water or none at all. imagine drinking that. i have covered so many natural disasters. there's always fear of a second wave of disease. but access to clean water helped control that risk after the haiti quake. in pakistan, though, the second wave, it's already here. it's so hard to see these little kids so sick on these dusty, dirty tables, ivs hanging. this baby is so small all you see is her little foot hanging out with an iv, again. another child here, and these children are sick. this is a diarrheal treatment center to take care of them. some of these kids have come from a flood but some of them are just citizens of pakistan dealing with these issues on a pretty regular basis. killer water. just consider the impact. already a million people with
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crippling diarrhea and respiratory infections, malaria, 65,000 cases and the world health organization projecting hundreds of thousands of patients with cholera, dysentery and typhoid. pakistan could literally be held hostage by killer water, and all of this disproportional ly affecting pakistan's next generation like this little 3-year-old. check things to see how dehydrated they are. push on the tips of their fingers and blood doesn't really come back very quickly. so dehydrated. he has a very weak pulse as well. his poor little mouth is so dry. but he's in the right place. he's one of the lucky ones. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, karachi, pakistan. >> that's our report tonight. thanks for watching. have a safe holiday weekend. see you back monday, labor day.
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